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Assalamu alaikum

The following hadith is about the tajseem of allah which was qouted by some body on the net on orkut comm. and claimed that salafi's have the aqeedah of tajseem and i think he was a munkiri hadith. kindly comment on the hadith in the light of quran and other authentic hadiths...are these hadiths sahih or not.......

Here's A First Hadith Claiming Allah Has Hand And Touched Rasool Allah And His Hand (Allah) Felt Cold !!!!

اخبرنا محمد بن المبارك حدثني أبو الوليد حدثني ابي عن جابر عن خالد بن اللجلاج وسألة مكحول ان يحدثه قال سمعت عبد الرحمن بن عائش يقول سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول رأيت ربي في احسن صورة قال فيم يختصم الملا الا على فقلت انت اعلم يا رب قال فوضع كفه بين كتفي فوجدت بردها بين ثديي فعلمت ما في المسوات والارض وتلا (وكذلك نري إبراهيم ملكوت السموات والارض وليكون من الموقنين

"Narrated muhammed ibn al-mubarak narrated abu al-walid narrated my father from jabir from khalid ibn al-lajlaaj and i asked makhool to tell him he said i heard abdurrahman ibn a'ish saying : i heard rasool Allah (saww) saying: i saw Allah in the best image so he asked me : what are the people of heaven arguing about? so i said: you know best of my God so He( Allah) put his palm between my shoulders so i felt its cold so i knew what's in the heavens and earth ...."

Ref: Sunan Darimi Vol 2 page 12611/7/09̽

 

This Shows The Salafi God Has Hand And It Occupied A Space Between The Prophet Shoulder Blades ( so it has size also ) And It Felt Cold ( cant get more physical than this)

This Hadith Is Recorded With Different Wording But The Same Claim That Allah Has Hand And It Feels Cold In Sunan Tirmidhi And Al-Albani Declared It Sahih And Also Tirmidhi Said He Asked Al-bukhari About It And He Told Him It's Sahih

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††† 3288 حدثنا محمد بن بشار حدثنا معاذ بن هانئ أبو هانئ السكرى حدثنا جهضم بن عبد الله عن يحيى بن أبى كثير عن زيد بن سلام عن أبى سلام عن عبد الرحمن بن عائش الخضرمى أنه حدثه عن مالك بن يخامر السكسكى عن معاذ بن جبل قال " أحتبس عنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ذات غداة من صلاة الصبح حتى كدنا نتراءى عين الشمس فخرج سريعا فثوب بالصلاة فصلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتجوز في صلاته ، فلما سلم دعا بصوته فقال لنا على مصافكم كما أنتم ثم انفتل إلينا فقال أما إنى سأحدثكم ما حبسني عنكم الغداة أنى قمت من الليل فتوضأت فصليت ما قدر لى فنعست في صلاتي فاستثقلت فإذا أنا بربي تبارك وتعالى في أحسن صورة فقال يا محمد ، قلت رب لبيك ، قال فيم يختصم الملا الاعلى ؟ قلت لا أدرى رب قالها ثلاثا ، قال فرأيته وضع كفه بين كتفي . قد وجدت برد أنامله بين ثديى فتجلى لى كل شئ وعوفت فقال يا محمد . قلت لبيك رب ، قال فيم يختصم الملا الاعلى ؟ قلت في الكفارات ، قال ما هن ؟ قلت مشى الاقدام إلى الجماعات ، والجلوس في المساجد بعد الصلاة ، وإسباغ الوضوء في المكروهات قال ثم فيم ؟ قلت إطعام الطعام ، ولين الكلام ، والصلاة بالليل والناس نيام . قال سل ، قلت اللهم إنى أسألك فعل الخيرات ، وترك المنكرات ، وجب المساكين ، وأن تغفر لى وترحمني ، وإذا أردت فتنة في قوم فتوفنى غير مفتون ، وأسألك حبك وحب من يحبك وحب عمل يقرب إلى حبك . قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إنها حق فادرسوها ثم تعلموها " قال أبو عيسى هذا حديث حسن صحيح . سألت محمد بن إسماعيل عن هذا الحديث فقال هذا صحيح

"Narrated muhammed ibn bashaar narrated mu'adh ibn hani narrated abu hani al-sukkari narrated jahdham ibn abdilleh from yahya ibn abi katheer from zaid ibn salam from abi salam from abdurrahman ibn a'ish alhadhrami he said he narrated it from malik ibn yukhamir alsoksi from mu'adh ibn jabal he said: rasool Allah secluded himself for three days until the sobh prayer .. so he came out and led us in prayers and after he finished he shouted : stay in your lines as you are , then he turned towards us and said: i will tell you what made me not come for you : I did ablution that night and i prayed .. then i slept dring prayer ..so I saw my god in the best image so he said: Oh Muhammad : Do u know what the people of heaven are arguing about , so I said ; I don't know , so he said it thrice , so I saw him putting his palm BETWEEN my shoulders and I felt the cold of HIS FINGERS between my breasts .... etc etc et.

Ref : Sunan Tirmidhi Vol 5 page 46 /47

Wa-As-Salam

Al-Muslim

Wa alaikum us salaam wa Rahmatullah

I do not have much idea about the views of Salafi School of Thought about Tajseem. You can ask some of their scholar. As I've understood it from the Quran & the Hadith, I can explain you.

Allah's hand is mentioned in the Quran. And in the same way, it is mentioned in several Ahadith including the both mentioned by you. In the Quran, it is also mentioned that:

لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ

"There is nothing like Him, He is the Listener, the Observer."

In order to describe some attributes of Almighty Allah for us, He has used the words for things we are familiar. It is not possible for us to correctly perceive such details because we have not seen Allah and there is nothing similar to Him.

For example, if we have to describe an airplane to a person living in, say 10th century CE, we'll say: "Iron birds are used in the 21st century." About computer, we can say: "We use artificial brains" and so on. It will be hard for that person of 10th century to correctly perceive that. If he starts arguing with us about the details of the iron bird or the artificial brain, his attitude will not be reasonable. If he has a long life and remain alive till 21st century, he would be able to see the reality.

Similar is the situation of the affairs of Allah & Aakhirat. We should believe them as they are without involving into the details. If we'll do so, our attitude will not be different from the person of 10th century.

In the Ahadith mentioned by you, a dream of the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم is mentioned. Dream is a dream. Mostly, things are shown in an allegorical way in dreams. So the correct attitude is not to investigate such details. These details have nothing to do with our preparation for our real life i.e. the Hereafter. When we'll reach there to meet our Lord, Insha Allah we will know the real meaning of such verses & Ahadith.

The problem of Munkareen Hadith (the deniers of Hadith) is that they take a few problematic Ahadith and reject the entire collection of Hadith based on these few Ahadith. On the contrary, some people try to accept all Ahadith whether they are real or fabricated. We should take the middle path by accepting only the genuine Ahadith by evaluating them properly.

I hope this detail will help you.

Remember in your prayers.

wassalam

Mubashir

(March 2010)

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